Comments on: Opinion: It’s Time to Remove ZPower (Virtual Power) from Zwift Leaderboards https://zwiftinsider.com/virtual-power-leaderboards/ News, tips, and reviews for Zwift fanatics Fri, 08 Dec 2023 16:51:14 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5 By: Sspeed https://zwiftinsider.com/virtual-power-leaderboards/#comment-110737 Fri, 08 Dec 2023 16:51:14 +0000 https://zwiftinsider.com/?p=100587#comment-110737 In reply to Frederic Audet.

I agree, we want to encourage kids, but to play devil’s advocate, the way to do that is to have a format kids enjoy, on a level playing field. Artificially inflating something so they are excited to win isn’t setting them up for success. If Zwift wanted to market to and encourage kids there is a lot they could do, give them a cool jersey for completing a route, give them badges for certain accomplishments, etc.

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By: Ben https://zwiftinsider.com/virtual-power-leaderboards/#comment-109772 Tue, 28 Nov 2023 02:39:12 +0000 https://zwiftinsider.com/?p=100587#comment-109772 Back in the day, I rode a kurt kinetic on z power, and was rigorous about keeping my setup consistent since I wanted the most accurate numbers possible. And it was accurate—when I switched to a smart trainer my ftp remained the same, perceived effort remained the same. Zwift power numbers aren’t inherently crap, it’s the overall unrealistic performance numbers that need to be used to weed out cheaters.

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By: Art Weeks https://zwiftinsider.com/virtual-power-leaderboards/#comment-109274 Tue, 21 Nov 2023 14:56:58 +0000 https://zwiftinsider.com/?p=100587#comment-109274 In reply to Chad.

His big advantage is that speed is not just a factor of W/kg. Straight up pure Watts is huge factor. So his 2.4 W/kg is double the actual Watts for my same 2.4 W/kg. Looking at just Watts, as Zwift does at some point, he goes faster than I do. I believe Eric wrote about this a few years back.

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By: Mathis Baumert https://zwiftinsider.com/virtual-power-leaderboards/#comment-109266 Tue, 21 Nov 2023 13:51:43 +0000 https://zwiftinsider.com/?p=100587#comment-109266 In reply to Mark B.

There should be an option to reset all your stats (not level or drops, just PBs, all-time best power curve, etc.). Hide it away and put a double confirmation dialog on it (“Are you sure?”, “Are you really really sure … can’t be undone”) but that would be really useful not just in your case. There will also be people coming back from injury that might not want to get constantly reminded of how much performance they have lost.

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By: Mathis Baumert https://zwiftinsider.com/virtual-power-leaderboards/#comment-109264 Tue, 21 Nov 2023 13:39:40 +0000 https://zwiftinsider.com/?p=100587#comment-109264 In reply to Eric Schlange.

I think the separate leaderboards would be comparable to women’s leaderboards. These are usually also not very densely populated. It doesn’t stop my daughter and my wife from going for those … occasionally.

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By: Mathis Baumert https://zwiftinsider.com/virtual-power-leaderboards/#comment-109262 Tue, 21 Nov 2023 13:36:34 +0000 https://zwiftinsider.com/?p=100587#comment-109262 Another suggestion: in races, make them invisible to other riders. By all means let them participate. Let them draft normal power riders but let power riders not see them and not draft them. Also don’t include them in the leader boards. It allows the ZP riders to get a feel for participation and not ruin their experience but it also prevents from ZP riders to blow up races. Fresh experience was from an cat A Zwift Academy race which would have gone very different if a ZP rider hadn’t blown up the field with a sustained 6.2W/kg ride.

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By: C.L.F. https://zwiftinsider.com/virtual-power-leaderboards/#comment-109253 Tue, 21 Nov 2023 08:37:43 +0000 https://zwiftinsider.com/?p=100587#comment-109253 </span></span></span><span class="ql-emojiblot" data-name="laughing"><span contenteditable="false"><span class="wpd-content-em wpdem-laughing">😆</span></span></span>]]> In reply to Chad.

kg vs. lbs confusion? 🤔😆

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By: Ali V https://zwiftinsider.com/virtual-power-leaderboards/#comment-109226 Tue, 21 Nov 2023 00:38:15 +0000 https://zwiftinsider.com/?p=100587#comment-109226 In reply to Frenchy.

It doesn’t really matter that it’s only 2.5w/kg, the fact that he, as an obese person, has an FTP that would put most pros to shame is insane. I don’t care how heavy you are, you’re not getting an FTP of 432w without being seriously fit and very strong.

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By: Sspeed https://zwiftinsider.com/virtual-power-leaderboards/#comment-109167 Mon, 20 Nov 2023 15:19:33 +0000 https://zwiftinsider.com/?p=100587#comment-109167 In reply to Richard Price.

Weird, maybe it’s which dumb trainer you used. I tested it and was pegged at 400w the whole ride.

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By: Tomáš Kysela https://zwiftinsider.com/virtual-power-leaderboards/#comment-109154 Mon, 20 Nov 2023 11:17:18 +0000 https://zwiftinsider.com/?p=100587#comment-109154 In reply to Kim.

Speaking for myself (level 56 on the cheapest possible setup) – 1) Nope, and I get them only when I’m basically alone on the map. 2) No way, I’m well aware of how it works, so I don’t even expect it. I do keep my average values pretty close to real life though.

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